Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 04:30:08 PST From: Ham-Policy Mailing List and Newsgroup Errors-To: Ham-Policy-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: Ham-Policy@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: Ham-Policy Digest V93 #408 To: Ham-Policy Ham-Policy Digest Mon, 1 Nov 93 Volume 93 : Issue 408 Today's Topics: info on cellular mods - illegal? YES! (2 msgs) Morris protesters in England What if Novice/Tech+ got a 80m phone subband? (5 msgs) Send Replies or notes for publication to: Send subscription requests to: Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Ham-Policy Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/ham-policy". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 00:02:03 GMT From: csus.edu!netcom.com!jfh@decwrl.dec.com Subject: info on cellular mods - illegal? YES! To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu robert@amanda.jpunix.com (Robert) wrote: >jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes: > >> Just because there's a law against it doesn't mean it's illegal. It could > >Well Jack, I think virtually all police officers would disagree with you >on that one. The police don't decide what the law is. The courts do. -- ---------------------------------------------------- Jack Hamilton POB 281107 SF CA 94128 USA jfh@netcom.com kd6ttl@w6pw.#nocal.ca.us.na ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 93 21:17:34 CST From: swrinde!menudo.uh.edu!jpunix!unkaphaed!amanda!robert@network.ucsd.edu Subject: info on cellular mods - illegal? YES! To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes: > robert@amanda.jpunix.com (Robert) wrote: > >jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes: > > > >> Just because there's a law against it doesn't mean it's illegal. It could > > > >Well Jack, I think virtually all police officers would disagree with you > >on that one. > > The police don't decide what the law is. The courts do. Exactly my point. And if I were to go out and rob a store, and then give the arresting officer YOUR response ("Just because there's a law against it doesn't mean it's illegal.") I would think the policeman would have himself a good laugh. I wonder if Sirhan Sirhan or Charlie Manson have used your excuse before as well. --Robert ________________________________________________________________________ | Anyone who cannot cope with Morse code is not fully human. At best | | he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and | | not make messes in the house. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 07:13:27 GMT From: news.Hawaii.Edu!uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu!jherman@ames.arpa Subject: Morris protesters in England To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu Gang, It seems that England is trying to do away with Morris; hundreds are protesting. Here's the story right off the UPI newsfeed: Subject: Morris dancers protest threat to 'English' holiday Keywords: international, non-usa trends, trends, holidays, lifestyle Message-ID: References: X-Supersedes: Date: Sat, 23 Oct 93 4:55:32 PDT Location: western europe, great britain ACategory: international Slugword: britain-mayday Priority: regular Format: regular ANPA: Wc: 211/199; Id: z1481; Sel: xwitf; Adate: 10-23-N/A; Ver: 0/1 Codes: yitfrxw., yickrgb., xxxxxxxx, //nl--a/ Lines: 17 LONDON (UPI) -- Hundreds of Morris dancers staged a rally in central London Saturday protesting against the government's planned abolition of a public holiday they consider to be a unique part of England's history. The May Bank holiday dates back to the mediaeval ages when May Day was used for great festivities. People would dance around a maypole set up in towns and villages around the country. The dances became associated with Morris dances, which were usually danced by five men and a boy dressed as a girl, called Maid Marian from Robin Hood folklore. Around the dancers would be musicians gaily dressed and ornamented with bells tuned to different notes ringin in harmony with each step. The festivities were an eyesore to the Puritanical movement during the 16th and 17th century and forbidden by Oliver Cromwell in Parliament in 1644. They then found favor during the Restoration after Cromwell's death and continued to be popular over the ensuing years. ``Visitors come from all over the world to see what they might think are strange peculiatries, but that is what makes England England,'' Gordon Newton, a spokesman for the protesters told reporters. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 93 13:59:25 CST From: swrinde!menudo.uh.edu!jpunix!unkaphaed!amanda!robert@network.ucsd.edu Subject: What if Novice/Tech+ got a 80m phone subband? To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu gganderson@augustana.edu (Kevin Anderson -7325) writes: > What if, in addition to the current Novice/Tech+ HF subbands, > a 50 khz subband, say 3850-3900 or 3900-3950 was made available? > That way, in addition to DX SSB possibilities on 10m, which are > nice for daytime/summertime ops, one could also have a winter-time > option for phone. Why? If a Novice/Tech wants phone, all he has to do is upgrade to General class? Problem solved. --Robert ________________________________________________________________________ | Anyone who cannot cope with Morse code is not fully human. At best | | he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and | | not make messes in the house. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 23:37:49 GMT From: swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!Freenet.carleton.ca!aj467@network.ucsd.edu Subject: What if Novice/Tech+ got a 80m phone subband? To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu In a previous article, robert@amanda.jpunix.com (Robert) says: >gganderson@augustana.edu (Kevin Anderson -7325) writes: > >> What if, in addition to the current Novice/Tech+ HF subbands, >> a 50 khz subband, say 3850-3900 or 3900-3950 was made available? >> That way, in addition to DX SSB possibilities on 10m, which are >> nice for daytime/summertime ops, one could also have a winter-time >> option for phone. > >Why? If a Novice/Tech wants phone, all he has to do is upgrade to General >class? Problem solved. > > --Robert > >________________________________________________________________________ >| Anyone who cannot cope with Morse code is not fully human. At best | >| he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and | >| not make messes in the house. | >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > If it is Morse code that separates the Human from the tolerably subhuman, am I ever glad you have your code. :-) -- Bill VE3NJW, VE3NJW@VE3KYT.#EON.ON.CAN ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 06:08:12 GMT From: swrinde!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!Freenet.carleton.ca!aj467@network.ucsd.edu Subject: What if Novice/Tech+ got a 80m phone subband? To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu In a previous article, drt@athena.mit.edu (David R Tucker) says: >In article gganderson@augustana.edu (Kevin Anderson -7325) writes: > > What if, in addition to the current Novice/Tech+ HF subbands, > a 50 khz subband, say 3850-3900 or 3900-3950 was made available? > That way, in addition to DX SSB possibilities on 10m, which are > nice for daytime/summertime ops, one could also have a winter-time > option for phone. > > I guess I am thinking of a comment one of the readers made > about current 5wpm privileges not being sufficient to interest > him. Maybe this addition would help. The Canadians currently > have full (I believe, but I may be mistaken) access to 160m and > 80m with their Basic license with the 5wpm rating. > > Any CONSTRUCTIVE replies, from the ARRL or others? > >I favor this. There are so many nets on 80 and 75 that I think >it would be a good idea to expand access to this band. > >-drt > There are many pluses to this, the opportunity for phone contacts, and the opportunity for CW contacts. The inherent problem eith 160 and 80 mtrs is for the most part space. Not many apartment, condo, or city lot dwellers, at least among the "new" set, can put up ant antenna for these bands. We older guys know you can always improvise. The problem with the Canadian allocation is that the 5wpm Basic holder cannot send CW on 10, 12, 15, 17, 20, 30, or 40 mtrs. This inhibits the hours of "working" CW that speeds up the learning of higher speeds. This is the only downfall of the Canadian Plan and I applaude any new life coming into the ranks. After all, we old buzzards won't live forever and eventually will become sk's. Perhaps if we encourage the newbies ( some of which are old buzzards themselves ), amateur radio may live on as a legacy for generations to come. -- Bill VE3NJW, VE3NJW@VE3KYT.#EON.ON.CAN ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 1993 19:28:27 -0600 From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!abc.ksu.ksu.edu!news@network.ucsd.edu Subject: What if Novice/Tech+ got a 80m phone subband? To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu In article robert@amanda.jpunix.com (Robert) writes: > >________________________________________________________________________ >| Anyone who cannot cope with Morse code is not fully human. At best | >| he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and | >| not make messes in the house. | >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > I, as a licensed No-Code operator, take serious offense at this remark. Are you saying that since I have trouble learning Morse, I am somehow not adequate as a human being??? That is so much bullshit! I think this Code-NoCode debate has gotten totally out of hand!!! Truth of the matter is, the Tech class lic. is here to stay, and you just might as well get used to it...and it's only a matter of time before techs are allowed on the HF phone bands...who knows, maybe they will finally get smart and open up your CW subbands to phone ops. That would be the smartest thing in the world!!! Your CW can be used on our phone bands, so why can't our phone be used on your CW bands??? I think you had better avoid further insults about the No-Code license...becuase there are more of us than you think!!! Give it up, dude!!! CW is obsolete!! No one uses it beyond Ham radio anymore, and it's only in the HAM OF's that it still lives at all!!! Asbestos Suit on!!! Oh well, flames go to /dev/null, anyway! 73's DE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | |\ | .----/ \ / /\ \ / | Jeremy Utley | | | \ | | /| \ / /__\ \/ | 1400 Univ. DR.| | | \ | | / | | / \ /\ | Manhattan, KS | | | \| `-/--' | / \ / \ | 66502 | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet:cbr600@matt.ksu.ksu.edu Bitnet:cbr600@ksuvm Packet:N0YAX@WZ0M.KS.USA ---------------------------STANDARD DISCLAIMERS APPLY-------------------------- > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 93 21:21:50 CST From: swrinde!menudo.uh.edu!jpunix!unkaphaed!amanda!robert@network.ucsd.edu Subject: What if Novice/Tech+ got a 80m phone subband? To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu cbr600@abc.ksu.ksu.edu (Jeremy L. Utley) writes: > In article robert@amanda.jpunix.com (Robert) > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >| Anyone who cannot cope with Morse code is not fully human. At best | > >| he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and | > >| not make messes in the house. | > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > I, as a licensed No-Code operator, take serious offense at this remark. Are That's nice. --Robert ________________________________________________________________________ | Anyone who cannot cope with Morse code is not fully human. At best | | he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and | | not make messes in the house. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 06:21:47 GMT From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!Freenet.carleton.ca!aj467@network.ucsd.edu To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu References <2b1onrINNi5d@abc.ksu.ksu.edu>, , ton.ca Reply-To : aj467@Freenet.carleton.ca (Bill Macpherson) Subject : Re: What if Novice/Tech+ got a 80m phone subband? In a previous article, cbr600@abc.ksu.ksu.edu (Jeremy L. Utley) says: >In article robert@amanda.jpunix.com (Robert) writes: >> >>________________________________________________________________________ >>| Anyone who cannot cope with Morse code is not fully human. At best | >>| he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and | >>| not make messes in the house. | >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >I, as a licensed No-Code operator, take serious offense at >Give it up, dude!!! CW is obsolete!! >No one uses it beyond Ham radio anymore, and it's only in the HAM OF's that >it still lives at all!!! >Asbestos Suit on!!! Oh well, flames go to /dev/null, anyway! Yes you are offended as was I. However HAM OF's ... I may resemble that remark, my CW is rusty but should be worked on ... it's fun, also it's a means of communicating with people who don't have HF phone priveleges, not to mention that it makes QSO's with non-English speaking people easier as they can pronounce the word as they wish, but a Kenwood is a Kenwood. You may not solve world peace over CW but you can still say more than 59 QRZ. Asbestos suit Hmmm! seems like you got yours out and expect more back. 73 et bcnu de VE3NJW Bill in Ottawa ...-.- -- Bill VE3NJW, VE3NJW@VE3KYT.#EON.ON.CAN ------------------------------ End of Ham-Policy Digest V93 #408 ****************************** ******************************